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Does Hineri dachi exist?
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| Kacey |
Posted on 28-10-2009 20:28
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In my dojo, we do a stance called "Hineri dachi" (at least that's what I think it is). I'm not sure about the spelling, but that's how it's pronounced. I'm pretty sure that's what my sensei is saying. The reason I'm asking is, we just got over testing some of the lower belts, and I noticed some struggled with the terminology, and I realized I could brush up on it too. So, I'm making a packet with all of the commonly used terms, and I couldn't find Hineri dachi. Googling didn't help. What we do is basically a backwards Zenkutsu dachi, you move back and block.
The reason I'm not just asking my sensei about this is because I'd like to have it done before class tomorrow, and hand it in.
Thanks a lot. |
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| PictonMA |
Posted on 29-10-2009 06:34
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I think that Hineri Dachi is meant to be exactly what you have described as a backwards zenkutsu dachi.
Think Seipai Kata (about the 5th or so movement where you turn away from the front into a backwards zenkutsu and do a open handed right high block and a left handed low shotei and then shuto uke before rotating back to regular zenkutsu and doing right handed shuto uchi).
Essentially (I believe) the term 'hineri' refers to rotation and in the specific case of this stance it's the rotation of the hips from conventional zenkutsu to this backwards zenkutsu.
Hopefully others can add to this. |
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| Shidokai |
Posted on 29-10-2009 15:57
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Hineri means twisting or turning. We don't use that terminology specifically, but to my own ears it sounds strange as twisting is a dynamic motion and stance gives a notion of stability (though as Dan will point out, stances are fluid). |
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| swoop |
Posted on 02-11-2009 04:28
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@Kacey
As both PictonMA and Shidokai have said "Hineri" means to twist, or turn.
I would suggest that your backward Zenkutsu dachi, is in fact Kokutsu dachi.
Zenkutsu dachi means forward leaning stance.
Kokutsu dachi means backward leaning stance.
In Goju Kokutsu dachi is performed with the legs in a zenkutsu dachi facing diagonally away from the direction you are facing, as per Sepai kata described by PictonMA. This is also evident in the defending side of Saifa bunkai, where in the first move we step back in Zenkutsu, twist into Kokutsu and perform a Hiji Uke, and the twist back into Zenkutsu dachi, and perfom teisho uke uraken uchi. |
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| gojuryu |
Posted on 02-11-2009 19:26
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I agree with "swoop" - we too call what you are describing as Kokutsu dachi however I do agree that Hineri Dachi could be the term used if an instructor was not told the specific name of the position and had to research it on his own.
I also referenced the JKF Gojukai Shitea kata book P. 172 and Higaonna's book "Karatedo Applications of the Kata" book 3 p.014 and p.015.
Both confirm that the correct term is Kokutsu Dachi. |
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| ae |
Posted on 22-11-2009 14:21
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swoop wrote:
This is also evident in the defending side of Saifa bunkai, where in the first move we step back in Zenkutsu, twist into Kokutsu and perform a Hiji Uke, and the twist back into Zenkutsu dachi, and perfom teisho uke uraken uchi.
I can not visualize that bunkai. I'd like to see a video, maybe in a saifa thread. Or perhaps a more detailed explanation of the defensive side, since not everybody has the same bunkai for the first movement of saifa.
Edited by ae on 22-11-2009 14:24 |
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| swoop |
Posted on 24-11-2009 09:13
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@ ae
This is in Saifa Renzoku Bunkai, also called Chokusen Saifa Bunkai.
It is a straight line two-man drill of saifa kata, with a defending (kata) side, and an attacking side.
Both partners start in left sanchin dachi yoi.
The attacker slides forward into left zenkutsu oi tsuki, gyaku tsuki, and left ko uke.
The defender steps back into zenkutsu dachi and twists into kokutsu dachi using the right elbow to perform the hiji uke, the defender then twists back in to zenkutsu dachi and performs teisho uke uraken uchi.
There are three attacking/defending hand techniques, which are then performed three times, similar to the start of saifa, and then the renzoku bunkai continues to follow the kata as close as possible, but in a straight line.
Generaly, defenses are performed going backwards, and attacks are performed going forwards.
Hope that is clear enough to help?
Edited by swoop on 24-11-2009 09:15 |
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